Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part


(system) #1
We also use tool and dies. We have a large inventory of dies which are mostly part specific, but some a universal.
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When we implemented, we made the decision to make these tools resources within Epicor for several reasons and it works well for us.
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Pros
You can put calendar exceptions on resources, pushing your schedule if a tool is being resharpened or repaired.
If you have the maintenance module, you can track usage (hits)Â on a tool and automatically schedule preventative maintenance.
You don't have to worry about someone trying to issue a tool to a job.
A way of "locking down" tool attributes, additions and updates.
Within a MOM, you don't have to worry about configuring any material related fields. Less MOM errors.
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Cons
For performance reasons, you should limit the amount of resources within a group to no more than 100. We have 30 tool resource groups with random tools under each one. We use resource type to organize them and UD fields for attributes. We then developed quick searched based on these fields.
You have to make sure to only specify the resource in a MOM. The resource group field must be blank.
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We also manufacture disposable tools that are created specifically for jobs and then discarded. We treat these tools as subassembly parts for obvious reasons.
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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 12:16 PM, <judyh001@...> wrote:

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  <p><p> I think the biggest challenge we have is trying to understand what benefit there is for having tooling as a resource in a resource group on the operation.  We don&#39;t have scheduling issues based on our tooling so it just doesn&#39;t seem to offer any benefit to us to have to make this huge change just to use MRP.  We would love to hear from anyone who has tried using the resource/resource group function for tooling and has either passed or failed.  I believe we know the benefits of leaving them as parts, I can&#39;t think of the cons of entering them this way in our environment, but we don&#39;t know the pros and cons of entering all of these resource/resource groups.  Our tools are simply dies that run custom products.  We design the die, charge the customer a design fee, and then we keep the tooling to run just for their orders.  Some of our dies that run our standard products </p>
are purchased by us. Most dies have a backup so when one is out for resharp, the other one is ready for use.

---In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <vantage@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I don't know what type of shop you are, but if your a CNC shop, CNC code generators (using the machine models that represent your equipment & the solid model of the part being from engineering) can generate tool sheets - even detailed manufacturing and QC related documentation that may be a more appropriate place to control this. (We are exploring that avenue as well... We use Esprit)


On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:26 PM, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:
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We're imbedding them as secondary unconstrained resource in OP Dtls where ever needed. (8.03.409a progress).
I find it a pretty heavy handed way to handle it though (for no real benefit versus your idea of making them non-qty bearing parts in the method - perhaps flagged via a part.checkbox## = true value to indicate they are tools/fixtures & leveraging that within your traveler report - also making them non-stock as well if you don't want them as inventory asset.)
I was hoping for a more elegant way in 9.05.702a - but so far I'm not seeing it.
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RobBrown
VersaProducts
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On Friday, October 11, 2013 3:02 PM, Rob Bucek <rbucek@...> wrote:
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We do that, so it appears on the BOM as a requirement and we can then trace to a location for material handlers to provide that along with any raw material needed. I think you can do it several different ways. We don’t keep the tooling in inventory with any value/cost because we intentionally issue it with the idea that once the specified quantity on hand reaches zero it is brought in for preventative maintenance. If it drives negative for whatever reason no big deal because there is no cost associated. Then we designate the part to not be evaluated when MRP runs.. This may not work for some.

Rob Bucek
Production Control Manager
PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
Mobile: (715)896-4832
FAX: (715)284-4084
[cid:1.234354861@...]<http://www.dsmfg.com/>
(Click the logo to view our site)<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Santillan
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 1:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] RE: Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part


We dont do that, but would Non Qty Bearing and MRP PRocess and PO Suggestions be checked off? This way nothing tells you to buy it or mfg it.

Miguel A. Santillan
Compass Manufacturing Systems
510-661-6666 Office

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Giese
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 10:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part


I am looking for similar information. We currently have printing plates (nearly never one the same) as resources and it was a terrible decision to go that route. Would using them as non-qty bearing parts work well just so they are acknowledged through the system?

Joshua Giese
CIO
920.437.6400 Ext. 337
Site ID: 27450-E905700B2-SQL64
Wisconsin Converting, Inc.
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of judyh001@...
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part



We are working on getting MRP up and running. Rather than having our dies as resources within resource groups, we think we prefer to have them as non-quantity bearing parts in the part table, thus allowing us to have them on the BOM but that MRP will not be affected by them. Just about every part we make requires a unique die or set of dies.



If you're running MRP, can you give us a little insight as to how you handle your tooling?



Sincerely,

Judy Havlik

Plitek LLC

judy.havlik@...<mailto:judy.havlik@...>


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(system) #2

We are working on getting MRP up and running.  Rather than having our dies as resources within resource groups, we think we prefer to have them as non-quantity bearing parts in the part table, thus allowing us to have them on the BOM but that MRP will not be affected by them.  Just about every part we make requires a unique die or set of dies.

 

If you're running MRP, can you give us a little insight as to how you handle your tooling?

 

Sincerely,

Judy Havlik

Plitek LLC

judy.havlik@...


(system) #3

I am looking for similar information. We currently have printing plates (nearly never one the same) as resources and it was a terrible decision to go that route. Would using them as non-qty bearing parts work well just so they are acknowledged through the system?

 

Joshua Giese

CIO

920.437.6400 Ext. 337

Site ID: 27450-E905700B2-SQL64

Wisconsin Converting, Inc.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of judyh001@...
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part

 

 

We are working on getting MRP up and running.  Rather than having our dies as resources within resource groups, we think we prefer to have them as non-quantity bearing parts in the part table, thus allowing us to have them on the BOM but that MRP will not be affected by them.  Just about every part we make requires a unique die or set of dies.

 

If you're running MRP, can you give us a little insight as to how you handle your tooling?

 

Sincerely,

Judy Havlik

Plitek LLC

judy.havlik@...


(system) #4

We dont do that, but would Non Qty Bearing and MRP PRocess and PO Suggestions be checked off?  This way nothing tells you to buy it or mfg it.

 

Miguel A. Santillan

Compass Manufacturing Systems

510-661-6666  Office

 

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Giese
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 10:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part

 

 

I am looking for similar information. We currently have printing plates (nearly never one the same) as resources and it was a terrible decision to go that route. Would using them as non-qty bearing parts work well just so they are acknowledged through the system?

 

Joshua Giese

CIO

920.437.6400 Ext. 337

Site ID: 27450-E905700B2-SQL64

Wisconsin Converting, Inc.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of judyh001@...
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part

 

 

We are working on getting MRP up and running.  Rather than having our dies as resources within resource groups, we think we prefer to have them as non-quantity bearing parts in the part table, thus allowing us to have them on the BOM but that MRP will not be affected by them.  Just about every part we make requires a unique die or set of dies.

 

If you're running MRP, can you give us a little insight as to how you handle your tooling?

 

Sincerely,

Judy Havlik

Plitek LLC

judy.havlik@...


(system) #5
We do that, so it appears on the BOM as a requirement and we can then trace to a location for material handlers to provide that along with any raw material needed. I think you can do it several different ways. We don’t keep the tooling in inventory with any value/cost because we intentionally issue it with the idea that once the specified quantity on hand reaches zero it is brought in for preventative maintenance. If it drives negative for whatever reason no big deal because there is no cost associated. Then we designate the part to not be evaluated when MRP runs.. This may not work for some.

Rob Bucek
Production Control Manager
PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
Mobile: (715)896-4832
FAX: (715)284-4084
[cid:1.234354861@...]<http://www.dsmfg.com/>
(Click the logo to view our site)<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Santillan
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 1:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] RE: Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part


We dont do that, but would Non Qty Bearing and MRP PRocess and PO Suggestions be checked off? This way nothing tells you to buy it or mfg it.

Miguel A. Santillan
Compass Manufacturing Systems
510-661-6666 Office

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Giese
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 10:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part


I am looking for similar information. We currently have printing plates (nearly never one the same) as resources and it was a terrible decision to go that route. Would using them as non-qty bearing parts work well just so they are acknowledged through the system?

Joshua Giese
CIO
920.437.6400 Ext. 337
Site ID: 27450-E905700B2-SQL64
Wisconsin Converting, Inc.
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of judyh001@...
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part



We are working on getting MRP up and running. Rather than having our dies as resources within resource groups, we think we prefer to have them as non-quantity bearing parts in the part table, thus allowing us to have them on the BOM but that MRP will not be affected by them. Just about every part we make requires a unique die or set of dies.



If you're running MRP, can you give us a little insight as to how you handle your tooling?



Sincerely,

Judy Havlik

Plitek LLC

judy.havlik@...<mailto:judy.havlik@...>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

(system) #6
We're imbedding them as secondary unconstrained resource in OP Dtls where ever needed. (8.03.409a progress).
I find it a pretty heavy handed way to handle it though (for no real benefit versus your idea of making them non-qty bearing parts in the method - perhaps flagged via a part.checkbox## = true value to indicate they are tools/fixtures & leveraging that within your traveler report - also making them non-stock as well if you don't want them as inventory asset.)
I was hoping for a more elegant way in 9.05.702a - but so far I'm not seeing it.
 
RobBrown
VersaProducts
 


On Friday, October 11, 2013 3:02 PM, Rob Bucek <rbucek@...> wrote:
 
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  <div>We do that, so it appears on the BOM as a requirement and we can then trace to a location for material handlers to provide that along with any raw material needed.  I think you can do it several different ways.  We don’t keep the tooling in inventory with any value/cost because we intentionally issue it with the idea that once the specified quantity on hand reaches zero it is brought in for preventative maintenance.  If it drives negative for whatever reason no big deal because there is no cost associated.  Then we designate the part to not be evaluated when MRP runs..  This may not work for some.


Rob Bucek
Production Control Manager
PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
Mobile: (715)896-4832
FAX: (715)284-4084
[cid:1.234354861@...]<http://www.dsmfg.com/>
(Click the logo to view our site)<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Santillan
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 1:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] RE: Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part


We dont do that, but would Non Qty Bearing and MRP PRocess and PO Suggestions be checked off? This way nothing tells you to buy it or mfg it.

Miguel A. Santillan
Compass Manufacturing Systems
510-661-6666 Office

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Giese
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 10:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part


I am looking for similar information. We currently have printing plates (nearly never one the same) as resources and it was a terrible decision to go that route. Would using them as non-qty bearing parts work well just so they are acknowledged through the system?

Joshua Giese
CIO
920.437.6400 Ext. 337
Site ID: 27450-E905700B2-SQL64
Wisconsin Converting, Inc.
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of judyh001@...
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part



We are working on getting MRP up and running. Rather than having our dies as resources within resource groups, we think we prefer to have them as non-quantity bearing parts in the part table, thus allowing us to have them on the BOM but that MRP will not be affected by them. Just about every part we make requires a unique die or set of dies.



If you're running MRP, can you give us a little insight as to how you handle your tooling?



Sincerely,

Judy Havlik

Plitek LLC

judy.havlik@...<mailto:judy.havlik@...>


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(system) #7
I don't know what type of shop you are, but if your a CNC shop, CNC code generators (using the machine models that represent your equipment & the solid model of the part being from engineering) can generate tool sheets - even detailed manufacturing and QC related documentation that may be a more appropriate place to control this. (We are exploring that avenue as well... We use Esprit)


On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:26 PM, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:
 
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On Friday, October 11, 2013 3:02 PM, Rob Bucek <rbucek@…> wrote:

 
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  <div>We do that, so it appears on the BOM as a requirement and we can then trace to a location for material handlers to provide that along with any raw material needed.  I think you can do it several different ways.  We don’t keep the tooling in inventory with any value/cost because we intentionally issue it with the idea that once the specified quantity on hand reaches zero it is brought in for preventative maintenance.  If it drives negative for whatever reason no big deal because there is no cost associated.  Then we designate the part to not be evaluated when MRP runs..  This may not work for some.


Rob Bucek
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Santillan
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 1:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] RE: Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part


We dont do that, but would Non Qty Bearing and MRP PRocess and PO Suggestions be checked off? This way nothing tells you to buy it or mfg it.

Miguel A. Santillan
Compass Manufacturing Systems
510-661-6666 Office

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Giese
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 10:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part


I am looking for similar information. We currently have printing plates (nearly never one the same) as resources and it was a terrible decision to go that route. Would using them as non-qty bearing parts work well just so they are acknowledged through the system?

Joshua Giese
CIO
920.437.6400 Ext. 337
Site ID: 27450-E905700B2-SQL64
Wisconsin Converting, Inc.
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of judyh001@...
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part



We are working on getting MRP up and running. Rather than having our dies as resources within resource groups, we think we prefer to have them as non-quantity bearing parts in the part table, thus allowing us to have them on the BOM but that MRP will not be affected by them. Just about every part we make requires a unique die or set of dies.



If you're running MRP, can you give us a little insight as to how you handle your tooling?



Sincerely,

Judy Havlik

Plitek LLC

judy.havlik@...<mailto:judy.havlik@...>


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(system) #8

 I think the biggest challenge we have is trying to understand what benefit there is for having tooling as a resource in a resource group on the operation.  We don't have scheduling issues based on our tooling so it just doesn't seem to offer any benefit to us to have to make this huge change just to use MRP.  We would love to hear from anyone who has tried using the resource/resource group function for tooling and has either passed or failed.  I believe we know the benefits of leaving them as parts, I can't think of the cons of entering them this way in our environment, but we don't know the pros and cons of entering all of these resource/resource groups.  Our tools are simply dies that run custom products.  We design the die, charge the customer a design fee, and then we keep the tooling to run just for their orders.  Some of our dies that run our standard products

are purchased by us. Most dies have a backup so when one is out for resharp, the other one is ready for use.

---In vantage@yahoogroups.com, <vantage@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I don't know what type of shop you are, but if your a CNC shop, CNC code generators (using the machine models that represent your equipment & the solid model of the part being from engineering) can generate tool sheets - even detailed manufacturing and QC related documentation that may be a more appropriate place to control this. (We are exploring that avenue as well... We use Esprit)


On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:26 PM, Robert Brown <robertb_versa@...> wrote:
 
We're imbedding them as secondary unconstrained resource in OP Dtls where ever needed. (8.03.409a progress).
I find it a pretty heavy handed way to handle it though (for no real benefit versus your idea of making them non-qty bearing parts in the method - perhaps flagged via a part.checkbox## = true value to indicate they are tools/fixtures & leveraging that within your traveler report - also making them non-stock as well if you don't want them as inventory asset.)
I was hoping for a more elegant way in 9.05.702a - but so far I'm not seeing it.
 
RobBrown
VersaProducts
 


On Friday, October 11, 2013 3:02 PM, Rob Bucek <rbucek@...> wrote:
 
We do that, so it appears on the BOM as a requirement and we can then trace to a location for material handlers to provide that along with any raw material needed. I think you can do it several different ways. We don’t keep the tooling in inventory with any value/cost because we intentionally issue it with the idea that once the specified quantity on hand reaches zero it is brought in for preventative maintenance. If it drives negative for whatever reason no big deal because there is no cost associated. Then we designate the part to not be evaluated when MRP runs.. This may not work for some.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Santillan
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 1:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] RE: Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part


We dont do that, but would Non Qty Bearing and MRP PRocess and PO Suggestions be checked off? This way nothing tells you to buy it or mfg it.

Miguel A. Santillan
Compass Manufacturing Systems
510-661-6666 Office

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Giese
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 10:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part


I am looking for similar information. We currently have printing plates (nearly never one the same) as resources and it was a terrible decision to go that route. Would using them as non-qty bearing parts work well just so they are acknowledged through the system?

Joshua Giese
CIO
920.437.6400 Ext. 337
Site ID: 27450-E905700B2-SQL64
Wisconsin Converting, Inc.
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of judyh001@...
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 12:19 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Tooling as non-quantity bearing Part



We are working on getting MRP up and running. Rather than having our dies as resources within resource groups, we think we prefer to have them as non-quantity bearing parts in the part table, thus allowing us to have them on the BOM but that MRP will not be affected by them. Just about every part we make requires a unique die or set of dies.



If you're running MRP, can you give us a little insight as to how you handle your tooling?



Sincerely,

Judy Havlik

Plitek LLC

judy.havlik@...<mailto:judy.havlik@...>


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